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Hello All,
I've noticed that PPG covers a very diverse range of areas regarding sustainability but the one subject which I have not seen on here (unless my blind eyes fail me) is pertaining to the storage of dried foods. While I joined the site to learn a great deal more about gardening, to further my knowledge of canning and to learn and participate in other areas, I do purchase and store bulk foods. Grains and several other low moisture items which I either cannot grow or do no have adequate space and resources to do so.
I have found that for me the most efficient way to store these items is in #10 cans vs pails. The supplies and cans are easy enough to come by but I have yet to find anyone who has a can sealer which can seal the #10 cans. They are not cheap and I'm saving to purchase one. But in the meantime does anyone have availability or access to a sealer? And is there anyone who might be interested in part ownership of purchasing a sealer with me? A very decent unit (electric) runs about $1000.00.

Also, does anyone have any other questions or areas regarding dried foods storage which they would like to share?

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how about a foodsaver vac. sealer then put bags in the buckets

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Good suggestion Dan, but foodsaver bags only guarantee their integrity for up to 6 months. However you can use mylar lined bags w/oxygen absorbers, vacuum seal the bag and store that in a bucket with a gasket seal. That will store for many years depending on the type of food. The reason I chose cans is because they are smaller. Once they are opened, you need to use the contents within a few months.

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I stopped using cans because I could taste the tin in whatever was stored in them, in particular sugar and flour. So could my guests. I now use buckets with gamma seal lids. Wouldn't mylar bags holding the same amount as a can work for your quantity requirements? I store rice, wheat, pasta and beans in the buckets.

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From what I've read online, the LDS church will sometimes allow non-members to use their equipment. At the bottom of the page at this link -- http://www.providentliving.org/pfw/multimedia/files/pfw/pdf/105529_... -- there is a link to search for "Home Storage Centers". If you follow that, apparently there is one in Mesa you could call to find out if non-members can use their can sealer. Good luck!

(I'm not affiliated with the LDS church.)

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I emailed a friend of mine who is Mormon and asked her about the cannery in Mesa. She said

"To use the main facility, you need to sign up a month in advance for the products they offer that month. Nonmembers are certainly welcome." and that she thought their ward had a portable canner that is available.

So it sounds like you are limited to what they are canning at the main facility.

Stakes have stake canning specialist that can help you with any questions you have and let you know if you can use one of the portable canners. If a group of you are interested they may be able to help you as a group also.

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Hey Nerrisa,
I took your advise and contacted the local stake in my area. They will hook me up with the use of their can sealer till I purchase my own. I knew about the one in mesa but was glad i found a closer one. Wasn't too crazy about traveling that far, but.......ya gotta do what ya gotta do, right?
Thx

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I am interested in all of the ideas shared here. Would any of you or all of you be willing to share your knowledge with a seminar much like food preservation 101, I found it to be very informative even though I have canned for years.
Debra

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Great idea Debra. Count me in. Any other takers?

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About 10 years ago an old neighbor put me in touch with a woman who ran the can sealer for their ward. I canned dried milk and beans but could have done anything I brought. It wasn't expensive at all. I only paid for the cans, lids, and oxygen absorbers, not the use of the machine or her time. It wasn't an electric sealer but still very easy. Of course, I don't have her number anymore but I bet the cannery could get you in touch with someone.

I also use mylar bags, 5 gal. buckets and a few gamma lids . There are several good videos on youtube that show the process. I like Bucket Packing with Wendy Mae, but there are lots on there. The problem I have is where to keep it. I have 6 buckets behind my living room sofa. Someday, I'll put a board on top and cover with a nice cloth to use as a sofa table. A few are in my laundry room closet and the rest will have to go in my bedroom closet. I have oats and wheat sitting in my hallway waiting to be put in buckets. I do try to freeze my grains for a couple of days to kill bugs.

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Thanks for the feedback Erin. Debra and I are going to do some information exchange and discussion. Was wondering if you'd like to join in. The more people the better.

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Sure, I'm interested. Not positive how much I could contribute though.

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I store all my dried food in jars. I guess I only store things for a maximum of 2 years or so, it sounds like you're talking about a much larger quantity of food than that.
Just doing the math though on spending $1000 for the sealer, paying for the cans, and paying for what goes in them it seems like an incredibly expensive way to go.
Do you have a resource for buying bulk organic flour? If so, please share!

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